Last week, Ecuador announced it would begin to withdraw military forces from the prisons, over a year and half after deploying them to break criminal control. The news marks the beginning of the end of a policy that has been an inflection point in the country’s criminal history.

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InSight Crime’s James Bargent and Ecuadorian investigative journalist Karol Noroña discuss why the military intervened in the prisons in the first place, what the intervention changed – and what it didn’t – and what’s next for a prison system that had become an operating base for organized crime.